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Richiro
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Posts: 41
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 Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:00 pm Post subject: get Harden or Halladay? |
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I think I can get Harden or maybe Halladay from a guy for Zimmerman, Bruce, and Morrow. Should I gamble on Harden staying healthy? Or go for the reliable yet less flashy Halladay? The guy who wants to trade has a ton of SP and wants to deal...here's his team:
c - johjima
1b - thames
2b - cano
3b - youkilis
ss - hardy
of - manny
of - ichiro
of - damon
ut - griffey
b - hairston
sp - halladay
sp - harden
rp - cj wilson
rp - t. jones
p - johan
p - arroyo
p - torres
b - kuo
b - park
b - penny
b - pelfrey
dl - carpenter
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Team ONE:
12 teams/2 keepers/standard cats
QB - Jay Cutler
RB - Steven Jackson, Ryan Grant
WR/RB - Steve Slaton
WR - Braylon Edwards, Jerrico Cotchery, Vincent Jackson
TE - Chris Cooley
K - Robbie Gould
D - Eagles
Bench
QB - David Garrard RB - Jonathan Stewart RB - Correll Buckhalter WR - Dwayne Bowe WR - Kevin Walter
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Team TWO: non keeper
10 GM, H2H with PPR
QB - Jay Cutler
RB - Marion Barber, Joseph Addai
WR - T.J. Houshmanzadeh, Braylon Edwards
RB/WR - Brandon Jacobs
TE - Kellen Winslow
K - Matt Prater
Def - Green Bay
Bench: QB - Garrard, RB - Jonathan Stewart, RB - Felix Jones, RB - Mewelde Moore, WR - Lee Evans, WR - Matt Jones, TE - Heath Miller
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Bizplayboy
Website Admin
Joined: 16 Aug 2007
Posts: 5450
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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What up Richiro.
Normally I'd say any good pitcher other then Harden ,,, but this is actually a tough call cause Roy boy usualy breaks down somewhere around August ... He's not the stirdiest guy around either. I think both are a gamble but Harden will get you slightly better numbers if he lasts the season cause he's in the NL and these hitters are going to have issues with his stuff the first time around.
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Richiro
Joined: 19 Jun 2008
Posts: 41
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:11 pm Post subject: |
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thanks for the quick reply Biz.
Yeah i'm really not in love with either Harden or Halladay, even though both have pitched great thus far. Think that offer is a good one for me to make for either guy though?
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Team ONE:
12 teams/2 keepers/standard cats
QB - Jay Cutler
RB - Steven Jackson, Ryan Grant
WR/RB - Steve Slaton
WR - Braylon Edwards, Jerrico Cotchery, Vincent Jackson
TE - Chris Cooley
K - Robbie Gould
D - Eagles
Bench
QB - David Garrard RB - Jonathan Stewart RB - Correll Buckhalter WR - Dwayne Bowe WR - Kevin Walter
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Team TWO: non keeper
10 GM, H2H with PPR
QB - Jay Cutler
RB - Marion Barber, Joseph Addai
WR - T.J. Houshmanzadeh, Braylon Edwards
RB/WR - Brandon Jacobs
TE - Kellen Winslow
K - Matt Prater
Def - Green Bay
Bench: QB - Garrard, RB - Jonathan Stewart, RB - Felix Jones, RB - Mewelde Moore, WR - Lee Evans, WR - Matt Jones, TE - Heath Miller
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youngbuck8100
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 3116
Location: Brookline, MA
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| Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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Throw in Tulo and see if you can get both of them
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superpoon
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Posts: 1299
Location: Bridgeport, CT
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I'd go for Halladay over Harden. You have Kazmir and Hamels, who will offset Halladay's K weakness every week.
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darko
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 5326
Location: Melbourne, AUS
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 2:46 am Post subject: |
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| superpoon wrote: |
| I'd go for Halladay over Harden. You have Kazmir and Hamels, who will offset Halladay's K weakness every week. |
what ^^^ said. Harden could be more valuable but he is a bigger risk (much bigger).
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Cranky Canuck
Joined: 07 Jul 2008
Posts: 1125
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 7:57 am Post subject: |
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| superpoon wrote: |
| I'd go for Halladay over Harden. You have Kazmir and Hamels, who will offset Halladay's K weakness every week. |
I love this K weakness crap about Halladay.He's 3rd in the AL in K's.Just because he doesn't get a K an inning doesn't make it a weakness.Especially when you factor in his IP's, ERA etc........
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superpoon
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
Posts: 1299
Location: Bridgeport, CT
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| Posted: Thu Jul 24, 2008 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Cranky Canuck wrote: |
| superpoon wrote: |
| I'd go for Halladay over Harden. You have Kazmir and Hamels, who will offset Halladay's K weakness every week. |
I love this K weakness crap about Halladay.He's 3rd in the AL in K's.Just because he doesn't get a K an inning doesn't make it a weakness.Especially when you factor in his IP's, ERA etc........ |
He needs to K more people than he does to be considered a #1 tier pitcher. His last 3 years he whiffed 139 and 132 in 220+ IP each year... that's terribad. So far this year he's been fanning more, but do you really think he can keep that rate up? Maybe, its a about 7.50 K/9. That would be almost at his 02-03 form, which appeared long gone. He may be 3rd in the AL, but he has 15-30 IP more than everyone else up there, and he can't be expected to go 250+ innings at 31 unless the Jays are idiots. Factoring in his ERA and WHIP etc. has no impact on whether or not K's are a weakness... not sure why you even mentioned that.
But anyway, I'm not knocking Halladay's value. I've owned him basically every year. His ERA/WHIP over the amount of innings he eats make owning him well worth it. But I wouldn't own him if my other pitchers were like... Aaron Cook and Jamie Moyer. Get him Richiro.
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NDstoverMSU
Joined: 21 Oct 2007
Posts: 460
Location: E.Lansing, MI
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| Posted: Fri Jul 25, 2008 2:16 am Post subject: |
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At this exact moment in time I think both have value, and from reading comments I like Halladay more then most, but With Harden pitching for such a strong offense and being a part of a top 5 team he has a great chance to really put up some strong numbers assuming the Cubs dont over work him, but they would never do something like that, right?
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darko
Joined: 19 Sep 2007
Posts: 5326
Location: Melbourne, AUS
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Poon pretty much summed it up. Halladay was unreal in 2003 (204 K in 266 IP). In 06 and 07 his K-rate dropped considerably. Its back to around 7.5 this year which is quite good but its not helping that Harden's K-rate is betwen 10-11 per 9. There is no doubt in my mind that Harden is a better pitcher BUT only twice in his career so far he has gone over 100 innings in a single season... Do you really believe he will stay healthy for the rest of the year? I wouldnt count on it...
Doc is your man, Richiro...
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