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Cranky Canuck
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 Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 9:34 am Post subject: Only One Holdout Left |
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| Now that Cincy has signed Keith Rivers, the last first round pick to be outside looking in is Derrick Harvey of the Jaguars.Given his numbers at Florida, you have to figure he would be an impact player.In any event he is the last of the first rounders to sign.
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hessshaun
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 10:40 am Post subject: Re: Only One Holdout Left |
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| Now that Cincy has signed Keith Rivers, the last first round pick to be outside looking in is Derrick Harvey of the Jaguars.Given his numbers at Florida, you have to figure he would be an impact player.In any event he is the last of the first rounders to sign. |
Yeah I agree but they are projected to be good regardless. I dont think they care.
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rwillard
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Only One Holdout Left |
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| Now that Cincy has signed Keith Rivers, the last first round pick to be outside looking in is Derrick Harvey of the Jaguars.Given his numbers at Florida, you have to figure he would be an impact player.In any event he is the last of the first rounders to sign. |
Yeah I agree but they are projected to be good regardless. I dont think they care. |
Yes they do need him as all they have is Spicer who si s 33 and had 7.5 sacks last year and on the other side they have Reggie Hayward who is 29 and only had 4 sacks in 2007. Their plan was to use Quentin Groves and Derrick Harvey in a rotation with the other two older players. These two rookies were suppose to bulster the passing D for the Jags. If Derrick Harvey does not sign and they are not even close right now, it will hurt the team. Now the D should still be good and the team will adjust but they do need him on the team and the players are already making public comments about him getting to camp soon.
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Derrick Harvey seems like he'll be a very solid every down player so he really should be a high priority for the Jags. Groves is too small to get that job done consistently and will be more of a situational player if he plays on the DLine (sorta like Tapp in Seattle) so this sucks big time for the 2008 impact of these guys I'm sure. I wonder who the guilty party is here.
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Cranky Canuck
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Apparently the Jags are far off on guaranteed money for a top ten pick.So i'd say the team is guilty.
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rwillard
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If you compare Vernon's insane contract 5yr $51M with Mayo's 5yr $18M at 10, Harvey is smack in the middle and want the money that the first 8 player got. The big money stopped right in front of Harvey and it did not make to to the #10 player drafted. Well Harvey wants the money the top 8 players got and the Jags do not want to increase last years #8 salary slot as much as the other positions in front of theirs.
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Jack Del Rio said in post practice interviews this morning that the Jaguars were trying to be reasonable with their contract offers. He went on to clarify that the team had basically offered Harvey a 10% bump over what the 8th pick got in 2007. He said that the two sides weren’t even remotely close in this negotiation as Harvey’s agents (Condon/Kremer) are looking for a 75% bump from the pick last year.
That’s not a typo.
75%.
The 8th pick in the draft last year got a contract roughly around $30 million in total with a $15.7 million signing bonus.
Do the math. That would mean that Harvey is looking for a contract northward of $53 million with around $27 million in guarantees.
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hessshaun
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Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step.
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rwillard
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home.
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hessshaun
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story.
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rwillard
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs.
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hessshaun
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| hessshaun wrote: |
| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them.
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rwillard
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| rwillard wrote: |
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
The story has not changed, they are a good D without him but they have holes. With him applying pressure they will be a much better D. This is very simple so I am not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this. They can wait and they have that choice but they leaving a hole on their D while he sits at home. it is already hurting them as there are players getting mad about him not being there so when he does arrive he may have a harder time being excepted by some of the players.
BTW I do not play Madden, But it sounded like you needed a little help understanding how things work in the NFL. Seems I was right.
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Grid
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
Ya, cuz improving and adding quality depth isn't necessary when you already know you're at least adequate enough to get fucked up by the Patriots in the Divisional playoffs again.
STFU and get off Willard's jock, mookling, the adults are talking.
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hessshaun
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| rwillard wrote: |
| hessshaun wrote: |
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
The story has not changed, they are a good D without him but they have holes. With him applying pressure they will be a much better D. This is very simple so I am not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this. They can wait and they have that choice but they leaving a hole on their D while he sits at home. it is already hurting them as there are players getting mad about him not being there so when he does arrive he may have a harder time being excepted by some of the players.
BTW I do not play Madden, But it sounded like you needed a little help understanding how things work in the NFL. Seems I was right. |
Yeah and overpaying him is the answer. You are another paper champ guy arent you?
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| hessshaun wrote: |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
Ya, cuz improving and adding quality depth isn't necessary when you already know you're at least adequate enough to get fucked up by the Patriots in the Divisional playoffs again.
STFU and get off Willard's jock, mookling, the adults are talking. |
You are a fucking chump too because what you said still doesnt apply. You can pick any rookie in the draft, sign him to the Jags and they still would not beat the Pats. Nice try. Take a number bitch.
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rwillard
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| Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| rwillard wrote: |
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| hessshaun wrote: |
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
The story has not changed, they are a good D without him but they have holes. With him applying pressure they will be a much better D. This is very simple so I am not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this. They can wait and they have that choice but they leaving a hole on their D while he sits at home. it is already hurting them as there are players getting mad about him not being there so when he does arrive he may have a harder time being excepted by some of the players.
BTW I do not play Madden, But it sounded like you needed a little help understanding how things work in the NFL. Seems I was right. |
Yeah and overpaying him is the answer. You are another paper champ guy arent you? |
Where did I ever say that they should over pay him? You do need help with your reading comprehension.
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