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hessshaun
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
The story has not changed, they are a good D without him but they have holes. With him applying pressure they will be a much better D. This is very simple so I am not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this. They can wait and they have that choice but they leaving a hole on their D while he sits at home. it is already hurting them as there are players getting mad about him not being there so when he does arrive he may have a harder time being excepted by some of the players.
BTW I do not play Madden, But it sounded like you needed a little help understanding how things work in the NFL. Seems I was right. |
Yeah and overpaying him is the answer. You are another paper champ guy arent you? |
Where did I ever say that they should over pay him? You do need help with your reading comprehension. |
And you need to learn to stay on topic. They can wait it out, they are good enough without him.
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rwillard
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
The story has not changed, they are a good D without him but they have holes. With him applying pressure they will be a much better D. This is very simple so I am not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this. They can wait and they have that choice but they leaving a hole on their D while he sits at home. it is already hurting them as there are players getting mad about him not being there so when he does arrive he may have a harder time being excepted by some of the players.
BTW I do not play Madden, But it sounded like you needed a little help understanding how things work in the NFL. Seems I was right. |
Yeah and overpaying him is the answer. You are another paper champ guy arent you? |
Where did I ever say that they should over pay him? You do need help with your reading comprehension. |
And you need to learn to stay on topic. They can wait it out, they are good enough without him. |
So I was right, I never said that they should over pay him. Enough said.
Without him the Jags will be good enough to stay the same as last year and no better. If they want to have a better year then they need him on the team now.
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hessshaun
Joined: 28 Jan 2008
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
The story has not changed, they are a good D without him but they have holes. With him applying pressure they will be a much better D. This is very simple so I am not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this. They can wait and they have that choice but they leaving a hole on their D while he sits at home. it is already hurting them as there are players getting mad about him not being there so when he does arrive he may have a harder time being excepted by some of the players.
BTW I do not play Madden, But it sounded like you needed a little help understanding how things work in the NFL. Seems I was right. |
Yeah and overpaying him is the answer. You are another paper champ guy arent you? |
Where did I ever say that they should over pay him? You do need help with your reading comprehension. |
And you need to learn to stay on topic. They can wait it out, they are good enough without him. |
So I was right, I never said that they should over pay him. Enough said.
Without him the Jags will be good enough to stay the same as last year and no better. If they want to have a better year then they need him on the team now. |
Nah, I think you are wrong there as well. They have the same fundamental core with another year of experience under their belts. Especially Garrard. Great team who I think can make a run.
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rwillard
Joined: 15 Sep 2007
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
The story has not changed, they are a good D without him but they have holes. With him applying pressure they will be a much better D. This is very simple so I am not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this. They can wait and they have that choice but they leaving a hole on their D while he sits at home. it is already hurting them as there are players getting mad about him not being there so when he does arrive he may have a harder time being excepted by some of the players.
BTW I do not play Madden, But it sounded like you needed a little help understanding how things work in the NFL. Seems I was right. |
Yeah and overpaying him is the answer. You are another paper champ guy arent you? |
Where did I ever say that they should over pay him? You do need help with your reading comprehension. |
And you need to learn to stay on topic. They can wait it out, they are good enough without him. |
So I was right, I never said that they should over pay him. Enough said.
Without him the Jags will be good enough to stay the same as last year and no better. If they want to have a better year then they need him on the team now. |
Nah, I think you are wrong there as well. They have the same fundamental core with another year of experience under their belts. Especially Garrard. Great team who I think can make a run. |
They are the same and that is their problem. They showed last year that they are lacking a pass rush and now they can't sign the player they went after to improve this glaring weakness. Without an improved pass rush they will not beat the elite AFC teams so even with their one year of experience, it will do them no good.
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hessshaun
Joined: 28 Jan 2008
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
The story has not changed, they are a good D without him but they have holes. With him applying pressure they will be a much better D. This is very simple so I am not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this. They can wait and they have that choice but they leaving a hole on their D while he sits at home. it is already hurting them as there are players getting mad about him not being there so when he does arrive he may have a harder time being excepted by some of the players.
BTW I do not play Madden, But it sounded like you needed a little help understanding how things work in the NFL. Seems I was right. |
Yeah and overpaying him is the answer. You are another paper champ guy arent you? |
Where did I ever say that they should over pay him? You do need help with your reading comprehension. |
And you need to learn to stay on topic. They can wait it out, they are good enough without him. |
So I was right, I never said that they should over pay him. Enough said.
Without him the Jags will be good enough to stay the same as last year and no better. If they want to have a better year then they need him on the team now. |
Nah, I think you are wrong there as well. They have the same fundamental core with another year of experience under their belts. Especially Garrard. Great team who I think can make a run. |
They are the same and that is their problem. They showed last year that they are lacking a pass rush and now they can't sign the player they went after to improve this glaring weakness. Without an improved pass rush they will not beat the elite AFC teams so even with their one year of experience, it will do them no good. |
No you are wrong again. Not a glaring weakness in the sense that it was the sole reason they lost. If you look at the numbers from last year they were in the top half of the league in all defensive categories. That does not indicate a glaring weakness.
Bottom line, with another year of the same guys being together they should score more and be a more cohesive unit on both sides of the ball.
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
The story has not changed, they are a good D without him but they have holes. With him applying pressure they will be a much better D. This is very simple so I am not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this. They can wait and they have that choice but they leaving a hole on their D while he sits at home. it is already hurting them as there are players getting mad about him not being there so when he does arrive he may have a harder time being excepted by some of the players.
BTW I do not play Madden, But it sounded like you needed a little help understanding how things work in the NFL. Seems I was right. |
Yeah and overpaying him is the answer. You are another paper champ guy arent you? |
Where did I ever say that they should over pay him? You do need help with your reading comprehension. |
And you need to learn to stay on topic. They can wait it out, they are good enough without him. |
So I was right, I never said that they should over pay him. Enough said.
Without him the Jags will be good enough to stay the same as last year and no better. If they want to have a better year then they need him on the team now. |
Nah, I think you are wrong there as well. They have the same fundamental core with another year of experience under their belts. Especially Garrard. Great team who I think can make a run. |
They are the same and that is their problem. They showed last year that they are lacking a pass rush and now they can't sign the player they went after to improve this glaring weakness. Without an improved pass rush they will not beat the elite AFC teams so even with their one year of experience, it will do them no good. |
No you are wrong again. Not a glaring weakness in the sense that it was the sole reason they lost. If you look at the numbers from last year they were in the top half of the league in all defensive categories. That does not indicate a glaring weakness.
Bottom line, with another year of the same guys being together they should score more and be a more cohesive unit on both sides of the ball. |
The team even stated thet fact that they were concerned with the lack of Sack their D got last year and that they went after Harvey to improve the team in that area. Now he is sitting out and they will have a good year but will not be able to make the move to beat the elite AFC teams. So like I said it will be more of the same. Good regular season followed by a loss in the playoffs. The Giants showed last year how to beat the elite teams in the league and the Jags are lacking in tht area. One of us will proven right at the end of the season and I will bet it will be me.
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They are counting on this guy to be healthy just so they can be the same as last year. If he gets hurt, which you can most likely count on, they take a big step back without Harvey.
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
The story has not changed, they are a good D without him but they have holes. With him applying pressure they will be a much better D. This is very simple so I am not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this. They can wait and they have that choice but they leaving a hole on their D while he sits at home. it is already hurting them as there are players getting mad about him not being there so when he does arrive he may have a harder time being excepted by some of the players.
BTW I do not play Madden, But it sounded like you needed a little help understanding how things work in the NFL. Seems I was right. |
Yeah and overpaying him is the answer. You are another paper champ guy arent you? |
Where did I ever say that they should over pay him? You do need help with your reading comprehension. |
And you need to learn to stay on topic. They can wait it out, they are good enough without him. |
So I was right, I never said that they should over pay him. Enough said.
Without him the Jags will be good enough to stay the same as last year and no better. If they want to have a better year then they need him on the team now. |
Nah, I think you are wrong there as well. They have the same fundamental core with another year of experience under their belts. Especially Garrard. Great team who I think can make a run. |
They are the same and that is their problem. They showed last year that they are lacking a pass rush and now they can't sign the player they went after to improve this glaring weakness. Without an improved pass rush they will not beat the elite AFC teams so even with their one year of experience, it will do them no good. |
No you are wrong again. Not a glaring weakness in the sense that it was the sole reason they lost. If you look at the numbers from last year they were in the top half of the league in all defensive categories. That does not indicate a glaring weakness.
Bottom line, with another year of the same guys being together they should score more and be a more cohesive unit on both sides of the ball. |
The team even stated thet fact that they were concerned with the lack of Sack their D got last year and that they went after Harvey to improve the team in that area. Now he is sitting out and they will have a good year but will not be able to make the move to beat the elite AFC teams. So like I said it will be more of the same. Good regular season followed by a loss in the playoffs. The Giants showed last year how to beat the elite teams in the league and the Jags are lacking in tht area. One of us will proven right at the end of the season and I will bet it will be me. |
I bet you are wrong because they need a hell of a lot more than a rookie DL to get shit done. They need solid play all around too include their lines, QB, RB, WR, DB, LB, and ST. Across the board. Even if they sign him tomorrow they are not getting out of the divisional round.
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
The story has not changed, they are a good D without him but they have holes. With him applying pressure they will be a much better D. This is very simple so I am not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this. They can wait and they have that choice but they leaving a hole on their D while he sits at home. it is already hurting them as there are players getting mad about him not being there so when he does arrive he may have a harder time being excepted by some of the players.
BTW I do not play Madden, But it sounded like you needed a little help understanding how things work in the NFL. Seems I was right. |
Yeah and overpaying him is the answer. You are another paper champ guy arent you? |
Where did I ever say that they should over pay him? You do need help with your reading comprehension. |
And you need to learn to stay on topic. They can wait it out, they are good enough without him. |
So I was right, I never said that they should over pay him. Enough said.
Without him the Jags will be good enough to stay the same as last year and no better. If they want to have a better year then they need him on the team now. |
Nah, I think you are wrong there as well. They have the same fundamental core with another year of experience under their belts. Especially Garrard. Great team who I think can make a run. |
They are the same and that is their problem. They showed last year that they are lacking a pass rush and now they can't sign the player they went after to improve this glaring weakness. Without an improved pass rush they will not beat the elite AFC teams so even with their one year of experience, it will do them no good. |
No you are wrong again. Not a glaring weakness in the sense that it was the sole reason they lost. If you look at the numbers from last year they were in the top half of the league in all defensive categories. That does not indicate a glaring weakness.
Bottom line, with another year of the same guys being together they should score more and be a more cohesive unit on both sides of the ball. |
The team even stated thet fact that they were concerned with the lack of Sack their D got last year and that they went after Harvey to improve the team in that area. Now he is sitting out and they will have a good year but will not be able to make the move to beat the elite AFC teams. So like I said it will be more of the same. Good regular season followed by a loss in the playoffs. The Giants showed last year how to beat the elite teams in the league and the Jags are lacking in tht area. One of us will proven right at the end of the season and I will bet it will be me. |
I bet you are wrong because they need a hell of a lot more than a rookie DL to get shit done. They need solid play all around too include their lines, QB, RB, WR, DB, LB, and ST. Across the board. Even if they sign him tomorrow they are not getting out of the divisional round. |
Of course every team needs all that or they will not go far in a season. Without him they are giving up any chance to make the needed improvments. This is the 3rd week of games and the most important one and he is still not playing with the team. His impact this year will now be minimal.
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
The story has not changed, they are a good D without him but they have holes. With him applying pressure they will be a much better D. This is very simple so I am not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this. They can wait and they have that choice but they leaving a hole on their D while he sits at home. it is already hurting them as there are players getting mad about him not being there so when he does arrive he may have a harder time being excepted by some of the players.
BTW I do not play Madden, But it sounded like you needed a little help understanding how things work in the NFL. Seems I was right. |
Yeah and overpaying him is the answer. You are another paper champ guy arent you? |
Where did I ever say that they should over pay him? You do need help with your reading comprehension. |
And you need to learn to stay on topic. They can wait it out, they are good enough without him. |
So I was right, I never said that they should over pay him. Enough said.
Without him the Jags will be good enough to stay the same as last year and no better. If they want to have a better year then they need him on the team now. |
Nah, I think you are wrong there as well. They have the same fundamental core with another year of experience under their belts. Especially Garrard. Great team who I think can make a run. |
They are the same and that is their problem. They showed last year that they are lacking a pass rush and now they can't sign the player they went after to improve this glaring weakness. Without an improved pass rush they will not beat the elite AFC teams so even with their one year of experience, it will do them no good. |
No you are wrong again. Not a glaring weakness in the sense that it was the sole reason they lost. If you look at the numbers from last year they were in the top half of the league in all defensive categories. That does not indicate a glaring weakness.
Bottom line, with another year of the same guys being together they should score more and be a more cohesive unit on both sides of the ball. |
The team even stated thet fact that they were concerned with the lack of Sack their D got last year and that they went after Harvey to improve the team in that area. Now he is sitting out and they will have a good year but will not be able to make the move to beat the elite AFC teams. So like I said it will be more of the same. Good regular season followed by a loss in the playoffs. The Giants showed last year how to beat the elite teams in the league and the Jags are lacking in tht area. One of us will proven right at the end of the season and I will bet it will be me. |
I bet you are wrong because they need a hell of a lot more than a rookie DL to get shit done. They need solid play all around too include their lines, QB, RB, WR, DB, LB, and ST. Across the board. Even if they sign him tomorrow they are not getting out of the divisional round. |
Of course every team needs all that or they will not go far in a season. Without him they are giving up any chance to make the needed improvments. This is the 3rd week of games and the most important one and he is still not playing with the team. His impact this year will now be minimal. |
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| Again, you draft for needs so of course they need him. In terms of impact on the team, they did not lose anyone significant and wont miss a step. |
I have to disagree, they already miss him and will miss him more if the season start and he is still no signed. The guys they have are not the pass rushers this team needs. Yes they will be a good defense without him but they could a much better defense with him rushing the passer and not playing Madden at home. |
Have not owned Madden for a few years there chief.
Again, you just admitted they have a good defense without him. My point exactly. End of story. |
I was not talking about you playing Madden so try reading it again as you are not getting the point on this thread or any so far. Yes they will have a good D but they went after two pass rushing DE for a reason. They need to improve their pass rush or they will not be able to get this team to go deep into the playoffs. Right now they do not have a good pass rush, a good D, yes but not a good pass rush without sending more then the front 4. As always as soon as you need to rush more then the front 4 you are putting your team at risk to a pssing attack unless you can get pressure. With Harey in camp and playing DE this team has a big weakness. They need to get him in camp and now as the De they have are not as effective as the team needs. |
I love how you change your story around. First they need him, then they are good without him, now they need him again but all there D is good with the exception of the pass rush. LOL, which is it tap dance man. I think it's hard for anyone to get the point in any thread you are posting in because it doesnt make sense.
Then I love your Madden-esque summary of how defense works. Did you learn that by playing the game?
They have the luxury to wait on this guy. He wont hurt them. |
The story has not changed, they are a good D without him but they have holes. With him applying pressure they will be a much better D. This is very simple so I am not sure why you are having a hard time grasping this. They can wait and they have that choice but they leaving a hole on their D while he sits at home. it is already hurting them as there are players getting mad about him not being there so when he does arrive he may have a harder time being excepted by some of the players.
BTW I do not play Madden, But it sounded like you needed a little help understanding how things work in the NFL. Seems I was right. |
Yeah and overpaying him is the answer. You are another paper champ guy arent you? |
Where did I ever say that they should over pay him? You do need help with your reading comprehension. |
And you need to learn to stay on topic. They can wait it out, they are good enough without him. |
So I was right, I never said that they should over pay him. Enough said.
Without him the Jags will be good enough to stay the same as last year and no better. If they want to have a better year then they need him on the team now. |
Nah, I think you are wrong there as well. They have the same fundamental core with another year of experience under their belts. Especially Garrard. Great team who I think can make a run. |
They are the same and that is their problem. They showed last year that they are lacking a pass rush and now they can't sign the player they went after to improve this glaring weakness. Without an improved pass rush they will not beat the elite AFC teams so even with their one year of experience, it will do them no good. |
No you are wrong again. Not a glaring weakness in the sense that it was the sole reason they lost. If you look at the numbers from last year they were in the top half of the league in all defensive categories. That does not indicate a glaring weakness.
Bottom line, with another year of the same guys being together they should score more and be a more cohesive unit on both sides of the ball. |
The team even stated thet fact that they were concerned with the lack of Sack their D got last year and that they went after Harvey to improve the team in that area. Now he is sitting out and they will have a good year but will not be able to make the move to beat the elite AFC teams. So like I said it will be more of the same. Good regular season followed by a loss in the playoffs. The Giants showed last year how to beat the elite teams in the league and the Jags are lacking in tht area. One of us will proven right at the end of the season and I will bet it will be me. |
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