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 PostPosted: Sat Jul 26, 2008 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

He would be silly to go to Vancouver. If he wants to play for a contender then Montreal is the way to go. Sundin would make Canadiens the best team in East and 2nd best team in NHL. Losing Mark Streit hurts badly but Canadiens are loaded accross the board. Very good D (Andrei Markov, Hamrlik, Brisebois and Komisarek), franchise goalie in Price and good young forwards in Plekanec, Kostitsyn brothers, Higgins and Latendresse. Kovalev, Koivu and Sundin provide the leadership. Great PP unit and Sundin would make them that much more better.

This would be very bad news for Crosby and Pens...
 
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 PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Montreal becomes the deepest team in the league if they sign him (if they aren't the deepest already...).

Kovalev
Higgins
Kostitsyn (x2)
Latendresse
Tanguay

Put those 6 wingers with..
Koivu
Sundin
Plekanec

And that doesn't even take into account a great D unit with a star leading them in Markov, and THE Carey Price in goal. Yes, I'll be driving the Carey Price bandwagon on this site. Anyone who wants to come aboard... we have free chips, beer, and Wendy's Spicy Chicken Sammiches.
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 PostPosted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Sorry but they are still not going to physical enough come playoff time.For fantasy hockey yes they have good depth,but they are not as deep even with Sundin as Detroit.
 
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 PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Cranky Canuck wrote:
Sorry but they are still not going to physical enough come playoff time.For fantasy hockey yes they have good depth,but they are not as deep even with Sundin as Detroit.



I'll have to disagree there. If Montreal gets Sundin I beleive they are just as deep as Red Wings. 2 things that separate Detroit from Montreal however:

1. Detroit's depth at blue line. Rafalski, Lidstrom, Kronwal and Stuart is the best defensive crops in NHL. Had Montreal kept Mark Streit they would've been right behind them however but they didnt. Defense and goaltending wins championships.
2. Datsyk, Zetterberg and Franzen. Zetterberg and Datsyk will approach 100 points again while Franzen is on the verge of breaking out - 60-70 points isnt out of the question, all 3 should score 30 + goals. BUT all 3 are such great 2-way players, Zetty and Datsyk probably the best in the league. This is what makes Detroit so good.



Montreal:

1st line: A. Kostitsyn, Sundin, Kovalev
2nd line: Tanguay, Plekanec, Latendresse
3rd line: Higgins, Koivu, Dandenault
4th line: S. Kostitsyn, Smolinski, Kostopoulos

Detroit:

1st line: Zetterberg, Datsyk, Samuelsson
2nd line: Maltby, Franzen, Hossa
3rd line: Holmstrom, Fillipula, Cleary
4th line: Hartigan, Draper, McCarthy


Or something along those lines...
 
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 PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Holmstrom almost always plays with Datsyuk and Zetts. Also, Maltby usually plays with Draper on the 3rd or 4th. Hossa should be playing with some combination of Cleary/Samuelsson and Franzen/Filippula, depending on who they want to swtich to LW and which C shows more promise this year. But this is all irrelevant.

Montreal... I wanna see Tanguay-Sundin-Kovalev, which would keep Plekanec and AK together, because they really found something last year.

Both teams will have nasty PP's though. Wings have everyone coming back (Holmstrom/Datsyuk/Zetts/Rafalski/Lidstrom... that is so painful). Despite the loss of Streit the Habs still have a great PP... Markov isn't a bad swing man either... I guess Hamrlik will play with him on PP1.
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 PostPosted: Mon Jul 28, 2008 2:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Havent followed Wings lines too close last year.

Habs on the other hand:

A Kost and Tanguay are pretty much a flip flop. You are right though, chances are that Tanguay goes to 1st line and A Kost to 2nd. S Kost is on the 4th line in my post BUT he wont be there - last year he played abit with his bro. S Kost is a natural left winger but can play right and the line of Plekanec / A Kost did well last year.

1 line you dont mess with is 3rd line. Gotta keep Higgins and Koivu together because Higgins doesnt perform without Koivu.
 
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 PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 9:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

darko wrote:
Cranky Canuck wrote:
Sorry but they are still not going to physical enough come playoff time.For fantasy hockey yes they have good depth,but they are not as deep even with Sundin as Detroit.



I'll have to disagree there. If Montreal gets Sundin I beleive they are just as deep as Red Wings. 2 things that separate Detroit from Montreal however:

1. Detroit's depth at blue line. Rafalski, Lidstrom, Kronwal and Stuart is the best defensive crops in NHL. Had Montreal kept Mark Streit they would've been right behind them however but they didnt. Defense and goaltending wins championships.
2. Datsyk, Zetterberg and Franzen. Zetterberg and Datsyk will approach 100 points again while Franzen is on the verge of breaking out - 60-70 points isnt out of the question, all 3 should score 30 + goals. BUT all 3 are such great 2-way players, Zetty and Datsyk probably the best in the league. This is what makes Detroit so good.



Montreal:

1st line: A. Kostitsyn, Sundin, Kovalev
2nd line: Tanguay, Plekanec, Latendresse
3rd line: Higgins, Koivu, Dandenault
4th line: S. Kostitsyn, Smolinski, Kostopoulos

Detroit:

1st line: Zetterberg, Datsyk, Samuelsson
2nd line: Maltby, Franzen, Hossa
3rd line: Holmstrom, Fillipula, Cleary
4th line: Hartigan, Draper, McCarthy


Or something along those lines...


You just said you disagree with me and then prove my point by showing how deep Detroit is? I already stated even with Sundin that Detroit is deeper.The more important aspect still will be that for playoff hockey the Habs won't have the physicality needed to beat a team like Detroit.Now they can certainly make a deal that would improve that situation this season.How it stands now though, DETROIT IS THE DEEPER TEAM.
 
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 PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2008 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Cranky Canuck wrote:
darko wrote:
Cranky Canuck wrote:
Sorry but they are still not going to physical enough come playoff time.For fantasy hockey yes they have good depth,but they are not as deep even with Sundin as Detroit.



I'll have to disagree there. If Montreal gets Sundin I beleive they are just as deep as Red Wings. 2 things that separate Detroit from Montreal however:

1. Detroit's depth at blue line. Rafalski, Lidstrom, Kronwal and Stuart is the best defensive crops in NHL. Had Montreal kept Mark Streit they would've been right behind them however but they didnt. Defense and goaltending wins championships.
2. Datsyk, Zetterberg and Franzen. Zetterberg and Datsyk will approach 100 points again while Franzen is on the verge of breaking out - 60-70 points isnt out of the question, all 3 should score 30 + goals. BUT all 3 are such great 2-way players, Zetty and Datsyk probably the best in the league. This is what makes Detroit so good.



Montreal:

1st line: A. Kostitsyn, Sundin, Kovalev
2nd line: Tanguay, Plekanec, Latendresse
3rd line: Higgins, Koivu, Dandenault
4th line: S. Kostitsyn, Smolinski, Kostopoulos

Detroit:

1st line: Zetterberg, Datsyk, Samuelsson
2nd line: Maltby, Franzen, Hossa
3rd line: Holmstrom, Fillipula, Cleary
4th line: Hartigan, Draper, McCarthy


Or something along those lines...


You just said you disagree with me and then prove my point by showing how deep Detroit is? I already stated even with Sundin that Detroit is deeper.The more important aspect still will be that for playoff hockey the Habs won't have the physicality needed to beat a team like Detroit.Now they can certainly make a deal that would improve that situation this season.How it stands now though, DETROIT IS THE DEEPER TEAM.



I never said Detroit wasnt deep - I agree with you there. All I'm saying is that if Montreal gets Sundin IMO they are just as deep as Detroit. Now depth may mean wins in regular season BUT it doesnt mean as such come playoffs. Defense wins championships and Detroit's D is deeper than Montreal's and they also have 2 of the best 2-way players in hockey - thta's what separates the 2. If you breakdown the depth chart IMO Montreal with Sundin is just as deep as Detroit...
 
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 PostPosted: Sun Aug 10, 2008 11:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

According to NP, Bryan McCabe has softened his stance on no-trade clause. Leafs are waiting for McCabe to submit a list of teams he is willing to be dealt to. McCabe would make 6.15 mill this upcoming season and 4.15 mill in each of the next 2 seasons. His contract was front-loaded so salary cap hit is 5.75 mill for next 3 years.


"Fletcher does not expect to get much value back in return for a defenceman who scored five goals and 23 points in 54 games last season."With him dictating where he wants to go, probably not much," said Fletcher. "We will probably have to take back a matching contract and some players in the deal.""



^^^ I wonder who they take back. They may take a player with similar salary cap hit but a player that has 1 year max remaining on his contract.

http://www.nationalpost.com/sports/story.html?id=710574
 
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 PostPosted: Mon Aug 11, 2008 7:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

I imagine they will try to get someone heading into their 3rd year at entry level that wasn't extended already by their team.
 
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 PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Looks like Glen Murray could be heading to Ottawa. Rumors are circuling around that he is very close to a deal.
 
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 PostPosted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

Well with the Shannon deal the right wings will be very different. Murray will get 2nd PP time with Fisher and Vermette i would guess.
 
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 PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2008 3:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

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Mats Sundin's agent, J.P. Barry believes that his client will return to the NHL this season. Sundin is in Toronto taking care of personal and business matters, but he still appears no closer to returning to the ice despite Barry's claims.
 
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 PostPosted: Thu Oct 23, 2008 2:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote Back to top

From TSN

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Mats Sundin has taken the first step toward a return to the NHL.

According to The Globe and Mail, the 37-year-old free agent underwent a physical exam at a Toronto hospital Wednesday and is expected to travel to Los Angeles to begin a two-week on-ice training stint.

After that, Sundin is expected to begin talking to NHL teams. The Swedish star would not be able to return to action until next month at the earliest.

As many as six teams have expressed interest in Sundin's services, including the Toronto Maple Leafs, Montreal Canadiens, Vancouver Canucks and New York Rangers.
 
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